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If Only The Real World Wasn’t So Real …Obamaland Might Be OK

The conventions are over and the critical debates are looming just ahead. Election Day, so far off when the campaigning began, is now less than two months away.  Partisans of both parties have hunkered down and dug in – they have known that they are either voting for President Obama - or not for Obama - for at least a year. Is there anyone left out there without an opinion?

Every day there is the daily dose of new polls, followed by the droning analysis of store-bought “experts” explaining what Obama or Romney must do to win.  The discussion is always the same – who is winning, but not, “What if they do?”

This election is a referendum on Barack Obama, first, last and only.  Four years ago he was a new and charismatic figure with the soaring rhetoric and historical significance.  For the majority of voters, what was there not to like about a fresh new face and “hope and change,” after nearly 8 years of war and a financial meltdown?  Four years later, however, we know much more, and should be all the wiser for his record, you know, “Fool me once …etc.  We now know all too well that “hope” is not a strategy for governing, and the “change” was far more extreme than most people would have knowingly voted for. 

For many, and hopefully for most of us, there is little clarity, and less reason, as to why Obama has earned a second term.  There is, however, genuine concern about the harm a second term would inflict on America. Like Clark Griswald’s misdirected route to Wallyworld, Obama has created a similarly misguided path to “Obamaland,” filled with distracting sideshows, disconnected from his disappointing record or the failed promises he made to get elected. Obamaland, it turns out, is more about campaigning than governing, blaming not leading.  While even Republicans enjoy an occasional trip to the fun house, we live in the real world, and in the real world America needs governing and leadership.

So let’s take a peek into the future and ask if staying with Obama is the best real world course for America:

  • One thing we know is that Obama believes that he’ll have more “flexibility” after the election when he no longer has to face the voters.  He actually whispered this to Russia’s President Medvedev next to a live microphone. Has anyone wondered/worried what this means to the Country he is entrusted to lead?  Doesn’t that make you feel that your quarterback is signaling the next play to the defense?
  • Obama will very likely continue to make Don Quixote proud by chasing after as many windmills as our tax dollars will squander, and our National debt can withstand, hoping that at least one company remains solvent.  However, the Keystone Pipeline will most likely remain out of bounds, fracking will be ruled environmentally unacceptable by the EPA, and no drilling permits will be approved to American companies in the same Atlantic Ocean that Obama has loaned billions of dollars to Brazil to drill.  As a result, America will continue to import foreign oil and send billions of dollars to Countries that do not like us.  Is this what most Americans believe is best for America?
  • Due to Obama’s Mid East policies, more US Embassies will likely be at greater risk around the world, leading to even more tragedies and hostage taking.  How can this be otherwise?  Obama’s offer to the Muslim world for a new beginning has been largely ignored, or interpreted as weak. By his holding back in Iran and Syria, “leading from behind” in Libya, and repeatedly giving Israel the back of his hand, Obama has created a power vacuum. It’s difficult not to have the feeling that the Muslim Nations are consciously dedicated to fighting us, despite billions in foreign aid payments from the US, while we are trying to deny we are in a fight.  Naïve? 
  • And, what happens when there is even the slightest turmoil in the Mid East?  Oil prices increase.  And, since the dollar is the international trading currency of oil, as the Fed continues to print money and deflate the dollar’s value, the price of oil will only rise even higher due to our monetary policy.
  • Accordingly gasoline prices, already more than double under Obama, will continue to move even higher, hardly a positive prospect, but that may be the “good news”. The worse news is that higher oil prices will increase the cost of fertilizers and transportation, raising food prices, and oil-based products.  Lack of job growth and lower disposable incomes will prolong the recession, further stress family budgets, and likely send millions more people to welfare and food stamp offices, raising the numbers of government dependents even higher.  None of this is positive.
  • Retribution is an ancient business in the Mid East.  What can be expected from Muslim militants in reaction to the chants of the Democratic Party’s recent  brag-fest, (e.g., Kerry’s “Ask Obama if he is better off than he was four years ago,” Biden’s “binLaden is dead and GM is alive,” Clinton’s post-Khadafi comment, “We came, we saw, he died”?)  Even in the America that Obama chastised for being so arrogant, have we ever before heard such incendiary, wrong-headed bravado – arrogance - from our leaders? We must hope that Homeland Security tightens our borders and security process.  Will Obama/Holder be finally inspired enough to make this happen?
  • The rising cost of social programs, without a corresponding responsible plan to pay for them, will continue to expand the National debt. Is Obama sufficiently concerned by the downward credit rating magnitude of his growing debt, and it’s crippling effect on future generations? Or, is it enough for him to continue to demand tax “fairness” (code for class warfare), as if “the so-called wealthy,” and not the shrinking workforce or his policies, are the culprits?

Obamaland is a giant step toward a 21st Century Utopia, a concept that has been tried and failed since the days of Plato.  Is this what we want America to be?  Is this what’s going to provide peace in our homeland, and prosperity to more people.  Is this the kind of society upon which our Nation was founded?

In my view, for the above reasons and others – like the expanding outreach of government and the higher costs and effects of Obamacare, four more years in Obamaland will be incalculably harmful to the future of our Nation, and our children’s children’s children who will inherit Anerica.  I certainly expect the “usual suspects” to disagree with me as they always do, but since this most significant election is about what we want America to be, we would all benefit if different voices from the ranks of the Unenrolled spoke up. 

As always, I look forward to your comments.

Jim O'Connor

12:23 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Jim, so much to respond to so little time. Let's try to be factual. One good topic could be fracking.

Do you agree that fracking involves the injecting of wastewater into the ground in drilling for oil and gas?

Do you agree that fracking has been tied to an unusual rise in earthquakes in the U.S.? See Bloomberg 4-12-12, citing data from the U.S. Geological Survey.

Do you agree that the oil and gas drillers are actively seeking trade secret status for their fracturing fluids making them exempt from disclosure to the public? Pro Publica 11-2-10

Do you trust the industry to self-police via the "invisible hand"?

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Jim Hatherley

2:42 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Jim, thanks for getting this started.

Isn't your comment an example of looking at a tree but not seeing the forest? My blog is about the damage to America that is likely to result (my opinion) if Obama is given a second term, not the merits or failings of fracking. This is not to say that your points aren't important because if the US is going to become energy independent, our ways and means of extracting our energy sources should be effective and efficient. No dispute there - other than our mindset should be to "DO IT." not to avoid it because there are challenges.

Heck, if it were easy, it would be easy, and there would be solar farms and windmills creating their useful eyesores all over the place. In that regard, I have confidence if wind and solar power were really as helpful as some might think, American ingenuity, backed by capitalistic entrepreneurs, would quickly develop attractive methods of physically "packaging" these methods.

Let's be confident in the American mind for a change. We can do this. We must do this. Again, this is my opinion.

Kim Poness

1:46 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

I'm only going to comment on the gas price comparison, as my Republican friends always use this, and unfortunately, it doesn't show the whole picture. Download the spreadsheet and do your own calculations, but for a fair assessment, you really have to go back more than four years.

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

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Kim Poness

1:46 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Okay, I lied. I'm also going to comment, ever so briefly, on the tax argument. While I do believe that we need reform of social programs, it's also interesting to look at the historic tax rates. Pull out your old economics books and lay the tax rates over the important economic events in our country, and again, draw your own conclusions.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/us-federal-individual-income-tax-rates-history-1913-2011-nominal-and-inflation-adjusted-brackets

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Jim Hatherley

3:00 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Kim, thanks for this, but how do these points relate to the point of the blog - that a second term for Obama will be incalculably harmful to America? Perhaps a translation of what you have seen in these charts?

I chose to look at the broader context ... if over 60% of Americans believe that the US is currently on the wrong track, will a second term totally derail America? If you believe that is true, Romney is your choice. If you believe that Obama is good for the future of our Country, Obama gets the vote.

In other words - what does America's future look like to you, and for your children?

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Kim Poness

4:16 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Jim - I WAS looking at the broader context. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to elaborate.

Jim O'Connor

3:41 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Jim, the larger point, as I see it, is that your blog tends to offer nothing but unsupported claims and old bromides about Republicans believing in individual rights and Democrats believing in big government and blah, blah, blah.

Normally I'd pay little attention, but we are less than two months from an important national and state election. When you make claims you should support them. For instance, "Due to Obama’s Mid East policies, more US Embassies will likely be at greater risk around the world, leading to even more tragedies and hostage taking." Based on what? In comparison to what other president? In comparison to GWB? I thought "fighting them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them here at home" was a virtue?
Or, "The rising cost of social programs, without a corresponding responsible plan to pay for them, will continue to expand the National debt." What is the effect on the national debt of the disasterous decision to invade, overthrough and occupy Iraq? Why wasn't that misadventure paid for, instead there were tax cuts and the war was placed on the national credit card? Do you even know what the cost will be when all is said and done? Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Prize winning economist first estimated the cost at $3 Trillion Dollars, he has since stated that his estimate may be too low. Who will pay for the war? Shouldn't big businesses that benefited disproportionately pay a disproportionate share?

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Jim Hatherley

4:14 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Jim, with all due respect to you, is this all you've got? We have all been living in the same Country for the past four years, exposed to the same nonsense, seeing the same results, hearing the same excuses, hearing how all the blame and accountability goes elsewhere, hearing all the noise about everyone playing by the same rules and paying their fair share when we know this is code for class warfare. We hear about the Republicans being resistent to the Democrats without mentioning that the Dems had super majority in 2009-2010 and railroaded so many bills and stimulus packages that the electorate expelled a record number of Democrats in the 2010 election. We see a media obscessed with the Democrat Party so pathetically that they have lost any semblance of - your guessed it - "fairness. That's the blah, blah, blah that so mnay of us have had to endure. Let's begin with that.

Obama made the big play that he would speak to the Iranian leaders who would reason with his charismatic self. Hillary laughed over that. But he also went to Cairo as the non Bush, new American seeking the fresh start, the man who had lived in Muslim countries and knew from where they were coming. All of this was part of the greatest hoax ever seen, according to Bill Clinton.

Bush is gone. He has been criticized in this space. Obama lied about the cost of Obamacare, a program he never talks about.

Thanks for replying (really), but a second term would be incalculably damaging (my opinion).

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Ben Jackson

4:27 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Jim,

You said " if it were easy, it would be easy, and there would be solar farms and windmills creating their useful eyesores all over the place."

It's not difficult to make wind and solar power. It's difficult to make *money* making wind and solar power. Take out the profiteering from energy, and the entire dynamic changes.

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Jim Hatherley

5:03 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Thanks, Ben, but how can you have the one without the other? Would government make access to energy another social entitlement? Would we throw in free college tuition and a car too? (Sorry for the sarcasm there).

Ultimately, the genius of American entrepreneurs is to develop the means to deliver wind or solar energy AND make a profit. And, a profit is not a bad thing, as anyone who has a 401K plan knows, and for which they are grateful at retirement time. And, as we see with pioneering companies like Apple, once the hot product is out there, competitors come in to create more supply, better features and lower cost. The Nation needs this.

Ed Bertorelli

4:33 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Great blog Jim- now we'll wait for the Liberal diatribe to begin. Keep up the good work !
I really wonder if some of the perennial Liberal/radical/extreme bloggers work at anything else ?

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Jim Hatherley

5:03 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Ed, thanks for the kind words, I will need it because I have little doubt that the usual suspects will speak out. I am really hoping to hear new voices emerge, not just the loudest, most partisan ones. Somehow, when I point out that America wants practical solutions, not ideology, there are many people agreeing, but get cold feet fearing that the liberals will jump at them. We'll see.

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Dennis Wilson

7:17 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Well, I was a new voice and you ignored my specific questions in your previous post.

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Dennis Wilson

7:53 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

You know, I am completely turned off by your anger. For anyone -- on either side -- to make the kind of absolute, black & white, all is lost if ***** or ##### is elected, that you do, makes me think you are some sort of zealot.
I am not inclined to vote for Obama. Since Romney picked Ryan, I have wondered why Romney, a financial guy, needed another financial guy as a running mate. The economy is, of course, a huge problem but Romney has no foreign policy experience -- why didn't he pick someone who knew something about foreign policy?
Can you stop blaming Obama long enough to convince me that my inclination to vote for Romney is the right choice?

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Jim Hatherley

9:59 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Dennis, yes, I do have a point of view which I get to express in this blog. I certainly don't want to be thought of as angry since I do myt best to politely respond to the incoming notes, but my pieces are intended to be somewhat provocative to elicit dialogue.

To me the Ryan nomination made sense since the Rpeublicans are making the case on the economy and spending/entitlement reform. Frankly, while foreign affairs have become an issue this week, the key is to get our economy running again and to begin attacking the debt. Personally, I bleieve that Romney has the managerial experience at the business, Olympics and State levels to make major improvements there.

On the foreign policy side, America rejected John McCain in 2008 for a new face with zero experience - so the voters must sublimate foreign policy to domestic issues.

But to answer your question, if you are not convinced that a new approach, and a new leadership approach arei needed in America with Romney, fast forward four years and wonder where we'll be under Obama. Who is the more capable of making America better?

I obviously believe we deserve more and better. I do not want govrnment-centered America. I want individual rights and liberties, free enterprise and a government that serves the people, follows the Constitution, and provides practical - not ideological - solutions.

Thanks again.

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UglyHat

8:59 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

I think Romney is more of a management guy. A set goals and find paths to meet those goals kind of guy. I’m sure he has some finance background and experience. But as we all know, government finance is a lot different from real world finance. I think Romney and Ryan are a good team. One understands what needs to be done and has the ability to work with all types of people to get it done (as Romney did with Democrats in MA). The other understands how Washington works and has a very good grasp of the finances.

Jim Hatherley

7:53 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Dennis, thanks and happy to have you. Yes, on my last blog I mentioned that the reason for voting for Romney would be on my nest piece, which it is. America is, or should be much wiser now regarding the harm that Obama has done, and how much worse he would be if he did not have to face the voters again.

I did check on the Peggy Noonan reference and found my answer - however, it was among the comments to her last column and not attributable to what she said on television. My error there.

Whoever you vote for, we must consider the record and measure what was promised vs. what was delivered. This administration get an A for blaming, an F for accepting accountability for what they've done. A great point is the current Mideast crisis. They have lied to America that they were not forewarned regarding the attacks. Instead they tried to blame Romney for making a cohernet statement, then blame a film that nobody has seen (instead of protecting our right to free speech).

We deserve better and I hope you believe that too.

Thanks for you note. All the best.

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David Nolta

8:32 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Jim--But why are you using a picture of Michelle Bachmann?? Oh wait...

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arthur

9:59 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012

Jim, it's time to go back to work.

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Concerned Citizen

7:31 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Jim,
Many of your "Democratic" posters are quick to be offended by you using Democrat Party instead of Democratic Party or ObamaCare instead of PPACA, but they think nothing of referring to George W. Bush as "Dubya" or making crude remarks about Michelle Bachmann. As usual, David, you are not funny.

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UglyHat

9:02 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

I agree that liberals in general do seem a little thin skinned. But I thought the Michelle Bachman comment was funny.

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Mike

11:37 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

agree, thought it was funny, but it could be a young Joe Biden too

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David Nolta

4:27 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Thanks UglyHat and Mike. Deep down, I really do aim to please...

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David Nolta

4:30 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

And as for "crude comments," Concerned Citizen, Ms. Bachmann has made plenty of them about me...

Jim O'Connor

1:31 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Hello Jim and Republicans, What's the word from the Fox Mothership after word that Romney crapped on 47% of the electrorate?

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Jim Hatherley

2:47 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Good one, Jim.

Would I prefer that this tape not have been released? Sure, just as Obama was embarrassed by his bitter people clinging to their guns and Bible moment four years ago. But this is where we are.

Here's my personal take on this, not pre-spun by Fox by the way. The conversation that is developing from this statement is positive for America. There are a lot of people who are unaware of the statistics of who pays income taxes, and who doesn't, or even the percent paid by the 1% highest earners. We need to have this out in the open and discuss the ramifications, just as we need the future of Medicare discussed, if we are to have any chance as a Nation in the future. Once there are more people in the wagon than pulling it we are doomed. I hope you agree with me on this.

I bring you back to the theme of my blog. I am looking four years down the road and, connecting the dots, believing that the economy is not going to improve and job growth will not expand - because the conditions of this economy, and the policies of this Administration, are barriers.

I understand that you, and others may disagree, but this is my opinion - and why we need a change in Administrations.

Jim O'Connor

2:25 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

States with highest percentage of people who pais no federal income tax in 2008. Doesn't Mitt need to win nearly all of these these states?
39% Tennessee
39% Florida
39% Idaho
39% Louisiana
39% Texas
40% South Carolina
40% Alabama
40% New Mexico
41% Georgia
41% Arkansas
45% Mississippi
http://taxfoundation.org/...

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Ben Jackson

2:25 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

So, just out of curiosity...still think it's been a great week for Willard?

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Chris L.

3:20 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Yea, as long as we ignore that whole area of the globe that wants to murder us....

Obama has had a great week, huh?

Jim Hatherley

2:47 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Ben, thanks - yes, I am still very strong with Mitt, but what makes you think it has been such a good week for Obama?

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Ben Jackson

4:18 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Well, to be clear,I never said it was a great week for Obama. But, since you ask:

Polls indicate widening lead nationally and in battleground states. Widely reported, but check pollingreport.com for verification.

A key Senate race, once clearly in the hands of the Republicans has now swung to a Democratic leader, and it appears more likely that Senator Warren will help maintain control of the Senate for the President's second term.

Former Governor Romney has provided a consistent contrast with the President, and that will result in the President's reelection, and a better America four years from now as a result.

So yeah, I think it's been a pretty good week for him, and for America.

Max Walker

3:10 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Seems to me Jim that an overwhelming majority of folks who don't pay taxes live in states that consistently vote Republican. And the states that have the fewest of the pay-no-taxes folks all live in solidly Democratic states. I wonder if there is a message there.

And I am not sure why Romney is complaining about folks who pay no taxes. He is desperately trying to be one himself.

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Max Walker

3:14 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

I have posted this before and it's worth examining again where the people who live off of government "largesse" live in light of the firestorm created by Romney.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us/even-critics-of-safety-net-increasingly-depend-on-it.html

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/12/us/entitlement-map.html

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FindBalance

1:17 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Max - You seem to be saying that people who live in Red states are the very ones receiving the most govt benefits, implying that they vote as if they don’t want others to receive “benefits” from the govt, but they are happy to receive their “benefits”.

“Benefits”, though, is a general term for which its items have different attributes from each other. For example, there are benefits that are paid into, for which the contributors receive something; and there are benefits for which the recipients contributed nothing.

The chart you provide includes SS and Medicare when determining the amount of govt benefits received in each state. These are paid for by the people who receive those benefits, so SS and Medicare amounts should not be considered when trying to determine what you imply – so, I believe your implication/conclusion is invalid.

Likewise, the author of the first article you provide mixes general govt benefits data and specific govt benefits data with arguments and conclusions to which they do not apply, essentially using apples to draw a conclusion that relates to oranges.

Jim Hatherley

3:20 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Max, Ben and Jim ... thank you all for your warm words of discouragement. I hope that i would be as (seriously) under-dramatic as you have all been. Good job.

Yes, it is rainy today, and windy. It is going to rain tonight but tomorrow afternoon will be sunny once again. Let me leave it all there, and not get all defensive, and simply say that I stand by what I have written.

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Jim O'Connor

3:20 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

"There are a lot of people who are unaware of the statistics of who pays income taxes, and who doesn't, or even the percent paid by the 1% highest earners."

I couldn't agree more Jim.
Do you dispute the data that Max Walker and I cited showing that the people "in the wagon" are predominantly red staters? If so, what data can you cite to?
Do you agree that the people in the wagon include many Republicans?
is it possible Mitt is one of the people in the wagon?
Has Mitt paid U.S. income taxes, each year, in each of the last 10 years?
Should ordinary wages be taxed at a higher rate than carried interest?

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Ron Goodenow

4:07 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Rather than be an 'angry liberal' I will let a brilliant and angry conservative say what a lot of other conservatives are saying beneath their breaths.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/opinion/brooks-thurston-howell-romney.html?hp

Oh I have a mooch of a 98 year mother who lives on social security and medicare (and is a rock ribbed Republican) and so I find all this hilarious (bye bye Florida Mitt). And all the other members of my family, self excepted, are Democrats who all have great jobs and work hard (one has started a successful new business) which really ticks me off when I hear comments like those from this guy who thinks the middle class starts at 200k. Of course, Obama gets a good week when such foolish and untrue comments are made. And, in a couple of days Scott Brown is going to head further into the swamp. All could have been avoided by good management not a nod to the PreppieWorld they want to give us.

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Jim Hatherley

4:24 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Ron, I get it and I will thank you in addition to Max, Jim and Ben for your joint restraint. In many ways, however, this is a metaphor for the election. There are serious issues to be discussed in an adult fashion, but the emphasis is placed on distractions.

There is a serious issue here. 1/7 Americans are on food stamps - not sustainable. How many come off once they go on? Half the households in America get a monthly check from the government - up from the 30% level in the 1980's and 44% in 2008. I am hoping that this "gaff" leads to the long needed conversation of what we want America to be. Do we want it to be a Country of free enterprise or redistributed wealth? The land of the free or the land of the free stuff.

And this brings me back to my blog. Instead of handicapping who is going to win, how about some analysis of what happens if they do?

I do not want to come across as defensive here because I would suspect that Romney would prefer that this tape not have been leaked. However, this forces the conversation about the future of our beloved Country to be elevated. Our Country is broken because it is bankrupt. It needs to be fixed. Romney is the better equipped to fix it in my view (reasons above).

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FindBalance

12:46 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Ron – No one is saying your 98 year old mother is a mooch. I’m sure your parents contributed to SS and Medicare, and she is getting what she was [implicitly] promised. People who are already retired will get what they were promised; for the rest, the promise will (and should) change to something sustainable, for example, SS should be more tightly based on what you contributed, and what your life expectancy is at the time you begin receiving payments (like an annuity). And I don't believe Romney was including your mother in his "47%" statement (although I would like to know who *is* included in the 47%, i.e., how he came up with that #).

Jim Hatherley

4:07 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Jim, I have also thanked you sufficiently well on this. Of course there are Republicans who are no tax payers. Contrary to the opinion os some, Republicans are not a homogeneous group of wealthy people. They consist of a cross section from every income strata across the Country. This should not be a surprise.

As to Mitt and his taxes, do you really believe that he has not paid his applicable taxes? As a candidate four years ago, and now, he obviously has known that his taxes would create the scrutiny/review by the IRS. C'mon, it's not attractive to be a class envying voyeur. Let's be a little real on this. That he may have benefitted from a lower tax on capital gains is no different from millions of Americans who are retiring and cashing in their 401K plans - me among them now that I have hit the magic age.

I do not know what you mean by your last question.

But, may I re-direct this back to my blog - it's about what happens if Obama is elected for four more years. All of this is small ball considering the calamity that awaits all of us under an additional Obama term. Don't you agree?

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Jim O'Connor

4:24 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Are you sure Mitt paid U.S. income taxes, every year, for the last 10 years. From the New York Times, June 28, 2011:

Surprisingly, a not insignificant number of those who are clearly well off are also among the “lucky duckies.” There are 78,000 tax filers with incomes of $211,000 to $533,000 who will pay no federal income taxes this year. Even more amazingly, there are 24,000 households with incomes of $533,000 to $2.2 million with zero income tax liability, and 3,000 tax filers with incomes above $2.2 million with the same federal income tax liability [0] as most of those with incomes barely above the poverty level.

The only (incomplete) 1040 we have seen from Mitt indicates he paid about 14% in 2010. Why do believe its not possible that Mitt paid zero in one or more of the last 10 years? Why do you believe its not possible that Mitt took part in the amnesty program for tax cheats using Swiss bank accounts to illegally evade tax liability?

Does Mitt ride the wagon or pull the wagon? Release those tax returns Mitt.

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Jim Hatherley

4:43 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

So Jim, I have been very polite and responsive - even thanked you for your initial restraint. However, you obviously cannot accept a compliment, or know when to stop.

I do not care about those stats on who pays/does not pay because those people or companies face the IRS just as every filer does. Romney has made statements and I believe him. Do we not think that the IRS has looked at his returns?

But Ron persisted on this issue in my last piece, and here's my response to this nonsense. If you want openness, I would want oppenness as well. So, how about a prime time "open the files expose' in which the Romney tax records and the Obama sealed college transcripts are opened simultaneously. Think of the feat that all the class envying voyeurs will have learning how wealthy Romney is; think of the joy for all of the birthers just itching to confirm if Obama's applications denote his foreign student status? Would that solve the problem? More importanlty, will that tell us what the next four years from an Obama term will bring to America?

Let's get back on track.

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John Tehan

7:35 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

JIm, what do Obama's college transcripts have to do with Mitt Romney's tax returns? The two are not even remotely related - Obama's college transcripts were clearly good enough for him to get into Harvard, I don't need to see them to know that there's nothing unusual there. On the other hand, Romney's tax returns may show that he took advantage of an amnesty program for tax cheats in 2009 - I'd like to know whether or not he did. Why don't you also want to know? How cn you support him while knot knowing if he's a tax cheat?

Rich A

4:31 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

The only reason to vote for Obama is because he's not Romney, and the only reason to vote for Romney is because he's not Obama. Sad but true.

Four more years of Obama means four more years of back-door violations of our freedoms like the NDAA and four more years of not dealing with the debt crisis. Four years of Mitt Romney means even more money for the 1% to send off to the Caymans (because apparently 38% of the Bush tax cuts for 11 years really hasn't been enough...) and a federal government uninterested in protecting Americans from the corporate plutocracy.

Sad part is, we've got the TPP and ALEC buying up our freedom while we're busy foaming at the mouth about who said what in response to a bunch of ultra-extremist Muslims attacking our embassies and bickering about who can marry whom.

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Jim Hatherley

4:57 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

My compliments, Rich A, you have blown straight past skeptical and gone all the way to cynical. Well played.

So, which is the worse of your worst case scenarios? Can the Nation better survive in a free enterprise system where profits are made, wealth is created, people are employed and rights are retained, OR if the government-centered society where the national debt climbs to $21 Trillion in four years, and people exchange their freedoms for free stuff?

Isn't that the essence of this election?

By the way, I could use some help on TRP and ALEX and NDAA and I suspect many of my readers do as well.

Well done - please come again.

Max Walker

8:28 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

I'd like to cut through insinuations and rhetoric and point out what is troubling about what Romney said at the fund raiser in Florida in May. When Obama points to the low capital gains tax rates that Romney uses to pay his burdensome rate of 14% and calls for the rich to pay their fair share, Romney and the Republicans scream, "class warfare!". Yet he was perfectly at home carping that the poor don't pay any income tax! Why isn't this class warfare? Hypocrisy thy name is Romney.

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Jim Hatherley

8:59 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Nay nay, Max, but good try.

The capital gains tax laws were not enacted for Romney, they were enacted for everyone. i am not sure how many people own stocks - probably reasonably low, especially compared with people who have 401K plans. These plans were passed in 1976 (best instant recall), meaning that they have been around for 36 years - plenty of time for retirees to make significant capital gains for post tax investments, and pay 15%. Recipients are spread throught the income ranges, but they all share the 15% limit on long term gains - same as on individual stocks - and, by the way, many of these funds are invested internationally depending on the plan.

And, by the way, a capital gains tax is a secondary tax following the normal income tax on ordinary earnings. In other words, the same money is taxed twice.

Class warfare suggests that even though 1% of the taxpayers pay 37% of the total taxes, their "fair share" should be higher - like 40% or more. None of that, however, broadens the tax base which ultimately develops higher tax revenues via the multiplier effect.

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Max Walker

10:37 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

the question is one of fairness. by what measure is 15% a fair tax rate for cap gains? it used to be 30%.

Here's another truth you won't hear from the GOP, faux noise or the WSJ. 36% of total federal revenue comes from payroll taxes and 47% from income tax. and nearly nobody gets a break on payroll taxes.

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Jim Hatherley

7:30 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Max, the "fairness" argument.

Beautiful.

Why not say that the what is unfair is that everyone does not pay at least some tax, since everyone benefits from schools, highways, courts, government, military etc. As to the capital gains tax, it applies to everyone - including you. Apple went over $700 a share today. I wish I owned it but there are a lot of people who do, and have made some money - taxed at 15%.

Many of them are Democrats.

C'mon, you can do better than this. My blog is about the incalculable damage a second Obama term would do to America,

Rob Penzke

10:37 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Why don't you just get it already?? Mitt doesn't want to be president. With what the FED did last week I don't blame him. Republicans do not want to get blamed for what is going to happen in a few years. The cost of living will increase, so go ahead and keep up the blog. It will no matter who wins the election, we were sold out a long time ago.

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Jim Hatherley

7:30 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Rob, thanks and even though I am sure that Mitt wants to be President, you make a very good point regarding the condition the current Preident will leave to his successor. Very disconcerting considering all the Bush blaming and whining he has done.

And, i also agree (in my blog) that the economy and job creation will not happen under Obama.

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Ben Jackson

9:32 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Jim, et. al.,

I'm real curious what exactly about the economy you think is *worse* since President Obama came and took over?

We've added 4.5 million jobs, have had nealry 30 months of private sector job growth, have seen a doubling in the stock market.

President Obama's Affordable Care Act has been shown to reduce the deficit over the next decade, and again in the decade following. His ending of the unnecessary war in Iraq will further reduce the deficit.

So, what's so much worse?

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Rob Penzke

11:19 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Wow, Jim is so good a twisting words around, you should run for office. The Govt does not control the FED, the bankers do!!! Geez! The FED should have been abolished a long time ago, but if any politician tries to go after the FED it would be suicidal. You just don't get it...The US does not belong to the people anymore Jim. Good luck and be well.

arthur

8:17 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

I have a question re: those that ' do not pay taxes', particularly those in the $200K per year bracket. Is the correct assumption zero federal taxes meaning after deductions any withholding that has occurred during the year is refunded to them from the government, or does that mean no additional taxes paid after filing? As somone in that bracket (barely), supported by two incomes and extremely frustrated at the number of deductions that are removed because of income, particularly tuition deductions, I'd like to find their accountants. BTW, as long as we're picking out Mitt's comments for analysis, hope everyone caught speaker Pelosi on the Today show speaking about Gov. Obama and his running mate Bryan.

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Jim Hatherley

8:37 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Arthur - I hear you! The way we need to look at this is your net tax. If you have withholding taxes during the year and receive a 100% return, you pay no income tax.

BUt you raise a great point. Early in Clinton's first term there was so much anger that 400 high earners paid zero income tax that Congress passed an Alternative Minimum Tax to ensure that these wealthy people paid up. Of course, fast forward 20 years and the refusal of the Congress to index for inflation, and over 20,000,000 people now "qualify" for the AMT. This is the part of your reference to the removal of deductions as your net earnings increase - essentially raising your taxes and making it likely that after a year of paying weekly withholding deductions, you get the "privilege" of writing a larger check to the government.

And, what happens if you do not have the available cash to send to the IRS for this AMT hit? Who is talking it up for these people? Nobody, because they are presumed to be somehow wealthy, even if they have children in college (which makes 99% of us automatically poor).

But, this is off-target of the Blog which is about the incalculable damage a second Obama term would inflict on America. Do you agree?

As to Pelosi - she is just being rude. We get it. Thanks for the jolt of fairness.

Dennis Wilson

10:12 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

In specific terms, what would America look like after four years of Romney / Ryan?

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Jim Hatherley

10:37 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Dennis, this is not going to thrill you, but this blog is about Obama, and what four more years of his term might look like. It about the promises he made to get elected, and the results that he has to show for his governance. This election is clearly about him, and whether you want a government-centered society, or a society of individual freedom and liberty served by a government of the people and by the people.

Romney has put together his point point program which is part of his convention speech and daily rallies - the culmination of which is the addition of over 12,000,000 jobs to the economy. That's a pretty good measurable and the 5 points support job growth (things like approving the Keystone Pipeline, owning drilling sites, reducing unnecessary regulations that hinder small business, lower taxes by 20% across the board while eliminating loopholes to create more fairness across the tax base, and repeal/replace Obamacare etc). Sort story - things cannot improve under Obama. They can under Romney.

So, unlike four years ago, Obama has a record. The blog covers what I think will happen ... and if you google a prior blog (Are You Really Ready For The Reformation of America), you can check out some of my earlier thoughts about the Obama impact on America.

Jim Hatherley

10:41 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Ben, first of all, do you really believe that the economy has added 4.5M jobs? Impossible. The math isn't even close, beginning with the idea that desire population growth, there are fewer people working today than when Obama took office.

But look at it this way, every month 1,500,000 new unemployment claims are made - at least - and tracking back since his inauguration. At the same time, the economy is said to have added (no more than) 150,000 jobs. So, if there are 10 new unemployment claims for every 1 job being created, how can we say this is good?

This is not to mention that the median facility income has declined each year, housing values have not improved, new business failures are at record highs.

I do not believe that Obamacare will show a deficit reduction because the numbers to build the case were low-balled (intentionally) based on assumptions that are now significantly higher. Medical costs continue to climb, and will.

But yes, all the "quantitative easing" money that the Fed has pumped into the economy to cheapen our dollars has been good for the stock market ... until it isn't, or until the Euro fails as it threatens to do.

This is not to even mention that the Government is now borrowing $4B/day to pay off the increasing debt, that has been expanding by over $1Trillion per year in Obamaland.

Bottom line, as I noted in the piece above, the economy is bad, and will only get worse in another term ... in my view. Thanks for the comment.

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Max Walker

10:53 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

I used to own apple stock too which I picked up when it was 80 when the stock market went down, but sold too soon in the 300s. Yes I benefited from the 15% rate on that occasion as I have on other occasions. However my individual situation is hardly the point. Why is a 15% rate on cap gains fair while a top rate of 44% on regular income fair when there is not a shred of evidence (in fact there is evidence to the contrary) that a low cap gains rate leads to a stronger economy and more jobs? Tax policy has to be evidence based, not some pet economic theory of a small group of plutocrats. The Republicans want to shut debate about this, as if asking the question itself is somehow to be denigrated. Let's have a proper debate about this.

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Jim Hatherley

11:01 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Congratulations on your financial success with Apple. Good job. The questions you ask about tax policy are not the subject of this particular blog. I want to stay on track, Perhaps we can take this up later.

Jim Hatherley

11:25 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Rob, thanks for your compliment (I think?) but I am not sure which words I have twisted around. I know that the Fed is independent, probably in the same way that we are realizing that the Supreme Court is independent. Ron Paul had the best position on the Fed. If Romney wins I hope that he exercises some of them - at least audit the Fed (has already said he would replace Bernanke).

You be well also.

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Paul Gentile

11:27 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Jim, you lose a lot of credence when you make a comment like "gas prices, already more than double under Obama". Gas prices were like they are now for years under Bush....then amazingly, they plummeted in the summer of 2008... even though there was no similar plummet in the world crude prices. This was quite an event in the months leading up to an election where the "republicans/oil companies" were hoping to hold the White House! Unsurpisingly, the gas prices quickly climbed ... again without parallel comparison to world crude prices. Now we have people bashing Obama for gas prices. Look at the facts, man.I can not stand "baseless rhetoric" from either party. It leads me to dismiss all of what you say ... whether it has merit or not.

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Jim Hatherley

11:52 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Paul, welcome to my blog and thanks for your note. Here's the thing. When Bush was President there was continuing uproar in the media - daily basis - as the price of a barrel of oil increased and gas prices correspondingly increased. No such coverage by the very same media these days - or ever - under this President. Why not?

And food prices have significantly increased in the past several years as well. I did not really push on that because factors like the draught are part of the picture.

I stand by what I wrote, however, that oil prices will continue to climb because of the Mideast situation, the refusal to tap into Keystone or off shore drill sites and the Fed's ongoing devaluation of the dollar. That's the facts as I see them.

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Paul Gentile

11:57 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Do you stand by your comment "gas prices, already more than double under Obama"?

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Rob Penzke

12:07 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Paul, Jim is like FoxLiesNews SPIN SPIN SPIN!!! I love it when I see clips from 2005-2007 and compared them to what they say now. SPIN!! BTW I'm not a Democrat either (I dislike both parties).

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Jim Hatherley

12:10 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Yes - they are statistically more than double the average $1.87 when he took office. But I do take your point that they were higher than that during part of Bush's second term, for which he received daily abuse in the media ... no such thing during all this run-up.

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Paul Gentile

2:17 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

So, you retract your comment? Because you went on to say a bunch of stuff based on your assertion that gas prices have doubled under Obama. You went on to assert "higher oil prices will increase the cost of fertilizers and transportation, raising food prices, and oil-based products. Lack of job growth and lower disposable incomes will prolong the recession, further stress family budgets, and likely send millions more people to welfare and food stamp offices, raising the numbers of government dependents even higher. None of this is positive." So, if your premise is false, you have no basis to lay all of this negativitiy on Obama.

Jim Hatherley

2:25 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

I do not retract the comment. The factors are different now, created by Obama's policies in the Mideast and changing leadership in those countries, refusal to approve the Keystone pipeline or allow drilling permits off the Atlantic Coast - while loaning billions to the Brazilians and claiming he was looking forward to being their customer, and the Fed's monetary policy in response to our economic predicament that continues to cheapen our dollar.

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Paul Gentile

2:57 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Jim, it was a $2 billion loan to a AAA company via the "charter of the Import - Export Bank"; which dictates that any money lent must be used to BUY AMERICAN services or products. The money is used here in the USA to create AMERICAN JOBS. Also, the board of said bank are all Bush appointees. It was a sound and viable loan made on Obama's watch ... and you're crying like we gave away "billions". What the heck is wrong with it and why wouldn't Obama look forward to Petrobas (the loan recipient ) being the U.S.'s customer with the $2 billion we lent them PLUS the $76 billion they raised in their stock offering. You've just swallowed all the diatribe that Sen. Vitter has spewed in order to somehow spin this whole thing as a bad thing.

Max Walker

2:25 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Findbalance wrote:

"Max - You seem to be saying that people who live in Red states are the very ones receiving the most govt benefits, implying that they vote as if they don’t want others to receive “benefits” from the govt, but they are happy to receive their “benefits”. "

I don't seem to be saying it. That is what I AM saying. You haven't looked at the map carefully. There is a tab on the left of this map (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/02/12/us/entitlement-map.html) where you can see not only SS and medicare but also other categories of government benefits like income support (welfare). You will see that the case of geographical disparities in government assistance for income support is even MORE stark, not less, than for SS and medicare. It is very convincing if you take the time to look through the data carefully.

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Max Walker

2:28 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

The only category for which this is not so especially in 2009 is unemployment insurance and that is because everyone has been affected by it, especially in the high tech sectors.

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Paul Gentile

3:05 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Any unemployment insurance is a benefit for the gainfully employed who have had employers paying into the system on their behalf while they were working.

Jim Hatherley

3:30 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Paul, there is some dispute over the Brazilian situation, and I do remember seeing Obama make the comment that he looked forward tot he US being a customer. As I recall there was also significant money loaned to Pemex of Mexico to drill.

But, why must any of this be in dispute at all? Why shouldn't we have been placing as much emphasis on tapping into American drilling sites as chasing after windmills and solar panels? Just the order to begin drilling into known deposits would reduce the price of foreign oil in an attempt to discourage the actual projects.

I might also note that in the Bush years the price of oil was pushed up because of the Iraq War, but it was also pushed up by 20% based on the overall risk of getting oil in the Mideast. It went to an inflated $150 barrel (the high point to which you alluded), then fell when the economy collapsed and the demand for oil dropped so significantly that a "surplus" was created, at least temporarily.

Another piece of the equation, of course, is the President. Obama is clearly no fan of fossil fuel - oil and coal. He has been attempting to push smaller vehicles down our throats, and also the electric cars. These have largely failed since the Volt has not made any inroads - and a lot of that work is done in China.

Bottom line - oil is not likely to be coming down in price.

Thanks for your note - forcing me to go back into my memory.

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Paul Gentile

3:31 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

All of these republican "mis-steps" are going to result in us losing Senator Brown to a girl from Oklahoma who came here to teach 10 years ago. Warren has just taken a big lead in the polls. I consider Warren adept and I'm not "worried" about her representing us in D.C. but Brown IS Massachusetts, he IS middle class and he IS 100% behind our veterans. Same can not be said for Warren. There is just no excuse for the baseless comments being made against Obama ... and the American people know exactly what the Republicans are trying to do. Baseless rhetoric is a sure sign that people are either 1.) out of touch -or- 2.) intentionally dishonest ... neither of which says much about their character.

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Paul Gentile

4:54 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Ok, where can we agree so that we can make a statement about where we need to go? I can not join you to attack the windmills and address the Atlantic drilling or the pipeline options if you're going to going to premise it by attacking the loan to Brazil. This just can not be brought up. Its baseless rhetoric. Trust me, I'd love to spout off about the windmill chasing and how we should be drilling off the east coast. But, the loan to Brazil is good policy ... and totally void of any connection to some premise of Obama being anti-oil. Brazil has made significant progress in ethanol production, so any assistance from us to get them leaning back toward oil can only be considered "pro-oil" ... obviously not the brightest of platforms ... but also not the "anti-oil" monger you accuse Obama of being. Despite the way you "spun" it, the loan was good for America.

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Ron Goodenow

5:40 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

To the comment that my mother is not a mooch because she takes SS and Medicare at 98: Given that we haven't much of a clue as to who is in the 47% I can exclude her from moochdom only insofar as she votes Republican. Were she to vote Democratic, which she may well do this year, she is in the 47%. As for my family, I am kind of ticked that they work so hard and may not all be in Mitt's middle class, and I am really ticked that that bugger is ducking and weaving on taxes and paying far less in terms of percentage than they are (oh, and they all find ways to contribute to society in positive ways). They may not be in the 47%, but in the six or seven percent that will give Obama a victory. Or are they just living lives of self delusion and are really in a dependency culture? It is beyond me, and I agree with David Brooks, Peggy Noonan, Joe Scarborough and many other conservatives to believe that this guy can fix our problems, particularly since so many of his big funders (we don't know who is bundlers are, actually) funded the policies by the last Republicans in power, who wrecked our country. Finally, I do agree that we need to reduce dependency -- what an apple pie argument -- but we have to get beyond sniping about gas prices, keystone pipelines, Brazilians and all that to what constitutes the leadership we need, and a vision which addresses so many needs beyond balancing the budget. If Mittens can't run a campaign he can't run the country.

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Jim Hatherley

6:03 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Ron, how can anyone think your Mother at 98 is part of "moochdom"? God bless her and let's all hope she gets to see her 100th birthday.

I am going to disregard the Mittens thing as a moment of snarkiness, so I can go all the way to your penultimate thought about leadershp and vision. We now - at last - have the vision. One leader wants a redistributed America with a government-centered society; the other wants free enterprise, not a welfare state. Your choice. However, if the choice is Obama we are headed down an entirely different road since our founding. It's hard for me to see that as a positive for our Nation or for our children, but as I always note - this is why we have elections.

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FindBalance

9:02 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Ron - Let's clarify... Neither R's nor R policies wrecked our country. D's a-la Barney Frank and Chris Dodd policies of lending money to people who could not afford to pay them back and backing that with govt guarantees is what wrecked our country. And a big part of the responsibility to oversee "Wall Street" falls on the House and Senate Finance Committees, which were chaired by Frank and Dodd in the years leading up to the economic meltdown. If anything, R's were guilty of listening to Frank and Dodd.

Plus, Pres Obama and the D's are continuing to push loans to people who cannot afford to pay them back, and there is still nothing to prevent Wall Street from overleveraging assets (which led to the amplification of the economic meltdown), not even the Frank/Dodd law.

Jim Hatherley

5:41 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Paul, thank you for your comments.

I do not know if you are a regular reader. If not you might want to read my previous piece regarding Clinton's real message at the Converntion. If you have seen that already then you probably already sense that finding agreement will be difficult because I am begging for practical solutions, not ideology. Both Obama and Warren are "you didn't build it", redistribute/confiscate wealth, government-centered utopians who are content to make America a welfare State. Now, before you say this is baseless rhetoric, think again. Their vision of America is so different from our founding. What we have here is a debate on what you want America to be and all of us are entitled to our opinion - it's why we have elections.

I might say that not only is Obama anti-oil, he is anti-coal. He will single handedly put WV out of business beginning with 1200 lay-offs this week.

But you asked where we can agree, and a good place to begin on the Country we leave for our children and grandchildren. Our legacy is to expand opportunity and provide a better life. We must get financial hold of our entitlements, promote the value of work, encourage free enterprise that leads to new industries and innovative products that leap frog current technologies and create a new avenue for wealth - and jobs. And, we must figure out the math (tax reform) that repatriates millions of American jobs to get our people moving again. Practical, not ideological.

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Paul Gentile

6:46 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

What is wrong with ideology? It forms the basis for policy. Democracy is an idealogy. So is Patriotism. Idealogues? That's another story.

Many would consider pragmatism as an idealogy, at least a philosophical "idea". Practical solutions are simply solutions derived from theory ... and the theories come from different "camps" or ideologies.

With all that in consideration, how do you categorically combine all of Obama's policies as "ideological" and place on it a stamp of "inadequate" ... as if it has no praticality.

If I was to choose my "top-10" politicians ... there would be more Republicans than Democrats but President Obama would be on it and so would Governor Romney. For the first time in a long time, we have two solid tickets. Nothing on either ticket is worrisome in my mind. I could get behind both tickets. We've come a long way since Bush vs. Gore.

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Jim Hatherley

6:59 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Paul, this is moving away from the thought behind the blog, but I am enjoying the conversation, so let me give this a shot.

There is nothing wrong with ideology. In fact, ideology is a great thing. What I am talking about - and what my last blog was all about - is leading and governing. Rigid ideolgues ram their philosophy down your throat, unless you have swallowed the kool-aid first. This just does not work, and frankly it is what we have seen in the past four years, and it's where we are as a Country right now.

The key is to build bi-partisan solutions where neither side gets all they want, but neither do they get screwed either.

To me, this is a strong reason for a change. Romney is not an ideologue. His experience has been working with a governing class that is 85% from the other party. That the far right is not enamored with him should tell you a lot in this regard. At the same time, Obama has squandered his ability to govern with his rigor that led to the overthrow of his party in 2010 (then blame Republican stubbornness). If he were as had been hoped, his re-election would be a sure thing. That it is not tells you that he will never lead this Country, much as Bush could never lead after his re-election.

That's how I see it. And, to get re-centered, what do you want America to be?

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Ron Goodenow

8:06 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Jim, my point is that Mitt (ok no more Mittens or Willards) said that the 47% who support Obama were part of a culture of dependency, etc.. which in shorthand or code is, or comes close to being mooching. welfare cheating, etc. Now my mother is excluded for two reasons. One is that she is a person of enormous dignity who has done very well after the company my father worked for over 48 years took away, after promising never to do so, her pension weeks after he died. Good ole capitalism. Probably pre-Bain in fairness. It is still a hugely profitable enterprise. The other reason is that she is a Republican and falls outside the stereotype. Because she is furious at the GOP's attitudes on women and still turns bright red when she thinks about the Shiavo case and recognizes Rick Scott as the crook he is, she may vote Democratic. That will put her in the 47% and therefore......And I still can't figure out where my wife and kids are. Maybe you can help on that. Please break down the numbers.

As for dark Manichean visions of socialist Obama vs. the righteous capitalism of Romney, such over simplified distinctions are unwarranted. We need regulation, we need oversight, we need government investment and even things like national parks and highways. As for the culture of dependency, would you agree that it extends to oil companies, corporate farms, airlines, loopholes for the rich and that side of the coin, or is just the 47% who are vets, retired, on unemployment, etc?????

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Dennis Wilson

8:18 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

"It’s time to admit the Romney campaign is an incompetent one. It’s not big, it’s not brave, it’s not thoughtfully tackling great issues. It’s always been too small for the moment."
"We are a big, complicated nation. And we are human beings. We are people. We have souls. We are complex. We are not data points. Many things go into our decisions and our political affiliations."
--- Peggy Noonan, WSJ, Sept. 18.

If Peggy Noonan is calling your campaign incompetent, have you lost the election?

Mitt is a CEO saying America needs a CEO and he is failing at being CEO of his campaign.

Am I going to have to sit out another election (wanted to vote for McCain last time; refused to vote for Palin)? The Hopey Changey thing never worked for me.

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Jim Hatherley

8:32 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Dennis, have faith in Romney. He is smart and capable and perhaps he has unwittingly been forced into the message he should have been pushing all along. That, along with the Obama admission tape of income redistribution, have framed the issue - a government that confiscates/redistributes wealth or an individual-centered government exercising free enterprise to create wealth. We cannot be both and we're on the brink of the former.

And, it has been a bad week for Obama. His Mideast handling has been bad, and not honest. He could not identify Egypt as an ally. His redistribution tape surfaced. He sounded pretty underconcerned about the debt, he turned down a meeting with Netanyahu to be with Letterman and JayZ.

What he is running on are far left zealots and the Media.

Better days are coming.

Jim Hatherley

8:21 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Ron - we need leadership! We need practical solutions not ideology.

As to your final question, I agree that there is a legacy of too many tax dollars subsidizing too many companies and industries, just as we have overfunded social programs beyond our ability to pay for them.

How about some fiscal sanity?

And, I have high hopes for your mother.

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Dennis Wilson

9:37 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Jim,
I have said previously that it is of no use to me when a person of one political persuasion attempts to explain away his candidate's missteps by pointing to the opposition candidate's missteps, action/inactions or failures that occurred at some point in the past. It is all very school yard to me.
You say that Romney "is smart and capable". Agreed. But why is it that you know what "message he should have been pushing all along" and he is 'unwittingly forced' into it.

I already know I don't want to vote for Obama. You know I question Romney selecting Ryan -- and perhaps even more -- question Ryan accepting. This is an election that the Republicans should win. Better days need to start yesterday.

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Jim Hatherley

9:48 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Dennis, thanks and I have to say that you are a real curiosity to me. You raise questions, I respond honestly, then you chide me for whatever and you remain where you were when the process began.

So, you might imagine that some of us Republicans actually converse with one another about the issues and what we woul like to see our candidates do. For many of us Mitt was too unspecific for too long. Now, through the fates he had not planned he is where he is - and where some of us should be all along - making people ask the question, "What do you want America to be?"

Sound familiar?

I think this is about the best I can do for you. Good luck and all the best.

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Ron Goodenow

10:31 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Jim, thanks for agreeing with me on one part of what I wrote about; I'd like some answers on some of the others. I hate to say, but otherwise all I see very often is the party line in your positions. Not really independent conservative thought. This all said, I believe that your posts offer the opportunity for civic dialogue and, by and large, some of us 'angry liberals' or whatever we are notwithstanding, like to debate.

I would be curious to know who your favorite Republicans have been and who influenced you as you began your quest to think and talk about politics? I can tell you I enjoyed Eisenhower (one of my all time heroes who would gag on military involvement and spending today), Barry Goldwater (who I spent a fair amount of time with; he was a bit off the wall on some things, but a wonderful person), Nelson Rockefeller (whose campaign I chaired on a university campus where Dick Cheney was one of my students -- earnest feller), and even Ronald Reagan, who was infinitely more sophisticated than the current crowd of red state bible thumpers, women haters, and no-tax me folks. One of my intellectual heroes was Wm F Buckley, who would throw up on this crew today. I subscribed to the Nat Review for years and years. All of these people understood the relationship between theory and practice. Today we get theory from eggheads like Ryan and practical nonsense from Romney in the guise of 'fiscal responsibility', and who remains a guy in a tin suit as far as I'm concerned.

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Jim Hatherley

10:33 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Ron, I think you are offering me faint praise - even if I attempt to put out thoguhtful essays that I at least feel are pretty creative.

Nevertheless, your question takes us far adrift the topic of the blog. Somehow I keep hoping for more people to tell me what they want America to be because that is what the discussion must be about in this election.

I mentioned JFK in a recent piece as my first political hero. He was young and from Massachusetts and i was younger and from the same place. The ramifications of his assassination have not been fully enough explored.

I have had only one other political hero - Ronald Reagan, which can hardly be a surprise. Both Kennedy and Reagan made me believe, a quality not present in Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter or Bush 1. I loved the resolve of George W, but realized that he was flawed, not altogether of his own making. Clinton squandered his Presidency - he should have been so much more, and I keep wondering why Democrats admire him as much as they do. I have described Obama as all hat, no cowboy. A disappointment to me.

Over time the Parties have become one dimensional. 50 years ago each party had liberal and conservative wings - now not so much, which is part of the problem with governing because voting out of lockstep with the party leader is a career ender.

One of the reasons I like Romney is the expectation that as a moderate he can work with the parties to create practical solutions. We need this now.

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Ron Goodenow

11:07 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

I think that blogs offer the opportunity to spread wings a bit and your response is interesting. I was pretty much a Republican until I watched the Nixon-Kennedy debate, saw how JFK handled the Cuban missile crisis, photographed him in a parade in Laramie and then, when he was shot, hitch hiked over a thousand frigid miles to be with my now wife and friends for hours and hours of talk. I admired some things LBJ did, but was infuriated by his Vietnam policy, which I was lucky enough to study with the help of the Marines as the war ended. To me Clinton handed the election over to Bush with his Lewinsky nonsense and dissembling, though what transpired on the GOP side was equally stupid. But Clinton and Newt cut their deals and all triangulated. In my mind compassionate conservative Bush, who was asleep at the pre-9/11 switch, was taken over by Cheney and crew, and we went down a path to disaster and a party that began to depend too much on its Southern base and no-tax mantras. There is more than ample blame to go around on the economy, banks, and foreign policy, which I feel has been a bi-partisan catastrophe. Not surprisingly I like some things Obama has done in the health care area, where I worked for many years (thanks Mitt), but am horrified by some of his civil liberties positions (torture, habeas corpus). Pay attention to Gary Johnson. He may be a nail in the Romney coffin out west. Smart guy with good libertarian and foreign policy positions. Flexible of mind.

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Paul Gentile

11:10 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Romney has demonstrated some willingness to bipartisan solutions ... for sure. But, I see a man who is also capable of holding the line. I think that's dangerous. He's an ideologue in his spiritual life but I do not see that heavily influencing his political decisions. That, in and of itself, is admirable. He's also a strong businessman and to succeed in business, you have to be able to work with people.

But, standing at a podium and espousing that 47% of the nation is lazy is just plain ignorant. So, if he's capable of doing that, it scares me what else he might do if placed in the oval office. I have no such fear of Obama. Also, Romney's indignation and arrogance in London and over simplification of the affairs in the Middle East was so disrespectful and lacking of character. It did nothing to help the situation.

I'm still on the fence.

By the way, I want America to be what it was always intended to be - “The land of the free”. I wish we had a lot more Monroe Doctrine in us these days and a lot less capitalism. There is a lot to be said for social medicine and also for small government ... contradicting ideas as they may be. I wish the American public could be less provincial and more responsible. None of this patriotism in the wake of disaster crap, we need every day patriotism. If you see a soldier in a Dunkin' Donuts, but them a cup of coffee!

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Jim Hatherley

7:09 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012

Good morning, Paul, and yes, America is complex and our problems are complicated. Forcing ideology down the throats of the Country does not work because too many constituencies get left out - it's why we need more centrist governing and gradual policy shifts.

Even Romney admitted that his language was in artful in discussing the current political-economic system in America today, just as Obama was in artful in smearing those who bitterly clung to their guns and Bibles in 2008. But the larger picture is that one Party has spent decades creating hyphenated groups, convincing them that they had been victimized by society instead of urging them to be responsible to pull themselves up and make the most of what they could be, while paving the future way for their children.

When more people are dependent on government than contributing to the commonweal we are done. So, yes, I agree that we must proudly present America as the land of the free, not diminish into the land of the fee stuff.

We need a leader. We need bi-partisan governing. We need to change the direction that we've been headed down for too long. Yes, no candidate is ever going to be perfect - heck, even our most popular leaders scarcely get above 55% of the vote.

You are quite obviously an intelligent and informed person, Paul. That you are on the fence should tell you something that you apparently already know. Enjoy the day.

Ed Bertorelli

8:17 am on Saturday, September 22, 2012

Jim H. how about doing a blog on Lizzie and Traveler's Insurance ?

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Jim Hatherley

3:03 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012

Ed, I have something in the works.

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Jim Hatherley

1:11 pm on Saturday, September 22, 2012

Max, this is Jon Stewart at his best. Good one. Does this mean that you will be paying for his upcoming "rumble" with Bill O'Reilly om pay TV? O'Reilly has put together pieces with the opposite philosophy in the past week - should be a lively affair.

But, after you cut through all the bull ..., there is still the question of what do you want America to be? Do we really want/can the Country actually survive a society when more people are dependent on government (ex. SS or Medicare which people pay into) than not?

I beleive Ron asked questions previously about whether or not the Feds should subsidize oil, farming, corn etc. Heck, I am all for stopping the waste of all taxpayer money that funds projects from another era, yet continues on, protected by lobbyists and corrupted politicians. We would do better to use our money to subsize repatriated manufacturing jobs (do you hear me Apple).

But, as much as Stewart makes sport, we all know that there must be a balance between providing services and paying for them.

Thanks for sharing this.

David Nolta

10:55 pm on Sunday, September 23, 2012

Jim, some people are saying you are "FindBalance". Is that true? I said I'd ask, and now I have. If you ARE "FindBalance", I wonder if you would explain why you post under different names? What could one say under a pseudonym that one would not say as oneself? If you are NOT "FindBalance"--and I hope you are not (because FindBalance is so much less polite and reasonable than you, in my opinion)--that's great!

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Jim Hatherley

6:36 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

David, I am not Find Balance so you, and whoever else is wondering about this, can rest very comfortably. I look forward to your anticipated hits in my next piece which was submitted over the weekend and should be posted today.

I might say that since there seem to be few conservative posters compared with the liberal crowd, I appreciate his comments which are typically supportive.

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Ed Bertorelli

7:48 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

I see the 'thought police' are after you Jim...keep up the good work and Find Balance is another 'balanced' voice.

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Jim Hatherley

8:01 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Ed, thanks. I know ... somehow, however, I think that there is disappointment out there in Liberal Land that I am not some Republican hydra. They would just love to reveal a conspiracy. No such luck.

But that's the way it is these days - both sides. However, when it comes to Democrats, my sense is that there are so few Republicans that they either don't even know a Republican, or cannot understand how someone could have such a different political philosophy.

Here's another thing Democrats do not understand - or appreciate. Voters like me have virtually ZERO representation due to the gross imbalance of party representation. Their intolerance to non Democratic Party dogma (too) often appears at odds with their sanctimony.

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David Nolta

9:21 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Jim, I just thanked you for your candor. But your stereotyping of liberals and Democrats--why do you keep doing that? Does Scott Brown really not represent you at all? You said zero representation. And what is this dogma you refer to (as though Democrats have one, are subject to it, and Republicans don't have one, but are individuals, and free of it)? That is another thing I can't understand about you--so articulate, and capable of great insight and even ... kindness? But then you insist on this almost preternatural division, between an "us" and a "them"--almost as though someone who thinks liberally (and no one in the world is ALL liberal, nor ALL conservative), were somehow to be treated as of another species from yourself, and an adversary.

Forgive me if I paraphrase Augustine: what vanity, to think your enemy is a greater threat than your enmity...

Jim Hatherley

7:52 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

John Tehan, I am sorry that this is so out of order. Nontheless, i thank you for your question - which I actually answered in my response directly above your post.

So - if Democrats can actually believe that Mitt Romney is so potentially sleazy to have cheated on his income taxes - which are closely followed by the IRS, why can't Republicans wonder if Obama applied to the colleges as a foreign exchange student to seek an advantage similar to what Elizabeth Warren claimed?

As I said repeatedly, and now again - if everyone wants openness, let's have openness, all around. Set up a prime time special for the big reveal and let the chips fall where they may.

What I find rather curious is that the same Democrats who seem to revere President Obama would demonize a person as accomplished and generous and unscandalized as Mitt Romney. Why, because he has been so successful as a businessman, parent, husband, Mormon, and public servant?

I don't understand ... but then again, I am a Republican in Massachusetts.

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John Tehan

10:53 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

I'm all for openness, Jim - Obama has released 12 years of tax returns, Romney should do the same. College transcripts are a complete sideshow, just more birther nonsense.

Concerned Citizen

8:13 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Jim,
I think the real question is, "Is David Nolta Linda Worthy?"

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David Nolta

9:13 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

I would be honored to be Linda Worthy! And Concerned Citizen's concerns are clearly misplaced. True, Concerned Citizen is no gentleman, she is a small person in her own right.

Thank you again, Jim, for your candor--SO refreshing! And of course I look forward to your next post!

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Jim Hatherley

9:26 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

David, you have accepted the question raised by Concerned Citizen with the same humor that I received yours.

But let's remember, you were the first one to raise the hydra question.

And, thanks for the compliment which I appreciate.

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David Nolta

10:00 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Now Jim, tell the truth! I have never used the word "hydra" and would never have used such a word. Nor am I by any means the one who first suggested the possibility --publicly, and repeatedly, on The Patch--that you and (as I said, the far less read-worthy) FindBalance were the same person. Your making these claims DOES raise the question that you haven't been reading some of the more interesting posts of the past few days... But we're all busy, I know. And I DON'T believe you're a hydra, and I will never withhold a compliment that I feel you deserve!

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FindBalance

10:14 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

Continuing with the inaccurate character assassination, are we, David?

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FindBalance

11:32 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

"Nor am I by any means the one who first suggested the possibility --publicly, and repeatedly, on The Patch--that you and (as I said, the far less read-worthy) FindBalance were the same person."

Where are these repeated postings that Jim H and I are the same person, David?

FindBalance

9:25 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

David - Who are "some people" that are saying Jim H is me? I haven't seen any postings that say that. Are you in touch personally with these people? I think it's just you.

I don't like your tone David, calling me less polite than Jim H, implying that I am not polite in my postings, attempting to undermine what I say. I leave it up to the readers to make their own decisions on my postings (without your help) - and yours.

I see you have slightly softened your method of degredation from Friday (you know of what I speak) - if you continue on this mission of character assassination, trying to paint me as something I am not, I willl move to have you banned. You have crossed the line.

And for the record, I am not Jim H, and Jim H is not me.

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Jim Hatherley

11:11 am on Monday, September 24, 2012

David ...cute ... LOL.

Actually, as you my have noticed, as someone who puts out pieces - and admittedly rather lengthy ones at that - I consciously do not typically blog into someone else's work because I already have my chance to express myself. Why try to hog, or diminish, their spotlights when I am already treated like a piñata in my own? As a result, I do not read all the blogs all the time ...

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David Nolta

1:19 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Thank you again, Jim, Still, in that situation, you might have granted me the courtesy of believing me when I said that the question had been raised (not by me), and I had promised to ask (it's all documented, right here on The Patch). And to repeat, I'm glad, and thank you again for your candor!

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FindBalance

2:26 pm on Monday, September 24, 2012

Oh, I understand why you are not replying to me, David – you are not even reading my posts because they are "not read-worthy".

As for granting the courtesy of believing you that others have raised said question – you often ask for proof of statements, and when I have asked you for proof of some of your statements, you have offered it without asking for courtesy. Why now are you asking for blind faith?

And what courtesy have you yourself offered recently, hurling insults at me and belittling another poster as being a small person? Playing “nice guy” only with Jim H on the opposing-view side doesn’t cut it.

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